Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:
So being a CQC oriented class, can someone tell me how is it balanced when a Heavy loses to an Assault Proto player 1v1 CQC?

Heavies, a support platform.. how off base could you be? It would be reasonable to call it an Av unit, because it can use the forge gun but the best description of it's role is as a defense oriented assault suit.

according to U.S. Army regulations 320-5 (AR 320-5) "heavy weapons" are all "weapons such as mortars, howitzers, guns, heavy machineguns and recoilless rifles which are usually part of infantry equipment."

As with most support units in any army, the size of a weapons platoon is generally smaller than that of its light infantry equivalent. For example, a typical light infantry platoon consists of 30 to 40 men divided in three or four squads (or sections) of 9GÇô13 men, whereas a weapons platoon substitutes the squads with smaller groups for mortar teams, machine gun crews, anti-tank teams etc.

Some platoons also include the assault element of a company. A company's weapons platoon will carry portable support weapons by sections, but also include a fast-attack light-infantry specialist squad of soldiers trained for breaching, raiding, and close combat.


A heavy weapon platoon is generally used as a support group to a number of other platoons in the immediate command area/zone in question. A ratio of one heavy platoon to three basic infantry platoons is the accepted number, anything above or below this may result in a specialised "company" such as a rifle company, or a long-range support company. The addition of a HWP (heavy weapons platoon) can greatly increase the chances of victory in a combat zone, due to the unique specialist abilities the soldiers in that group can offer to the company.

In more modern times, the application of heavy weapon support groups has been on the up. The ability to provide covering fire, and the suppression tactics of the heavy platoon mean that it is better equipped to give cover, and forms a vital component to the overall success, supporting the bulk of the company as they advance. Unlike in previous years, with the advancement in troop transportation, re-locating heavy weaponry and large quantities of ammunition is less of a problem.

LOL!!!! Bringing real life into a game...this always gets me rolling.

So tell me, how are these real life troops getting points for ISK?... How are they getting WP? Oh that's right!...I'm playing a game.

If we were going to use modern military doctrine on heavy weapons then firstly CCP will have to increase HMG range beyond that of the basic assault rifle. Not something I see happening

At no point have I said I'm an expert. But having a basic knowledge of epochs in battlefield history would show that use of a tactic that was valid at the time against previous weapons, when used against a newly introduced weapon system or just a basic mechanic, alot of the time resulted in the deaths of those using those tactics. So, using present, 21st century, military weapons doctrine as an example of how weapons from 20,000 years in the future should be dealt with, is massively flawed, as I pointed out. Fair enough, I pointed it out while laughing at you, but it's still valid.

If you have an interest in this kind of stuff then you should look into the effect of the following things that changed combat. Any of the metal changes and smith evolutions. Phalanxes and heavy spears. Saddle stirrups and mounted combat. Coordinated longbows against mounted plate cavalry. Low level training for crossbows against plate armour. The last one is funny as hell for how the church responded to it. Cannon against fortifications. Muskets. Rifled barrels. Repeating firearms. The Lee Enfield is an excellent example of the last. One of the biggest, machineguns. The Battle of the Somme being one to be looked into for the machinegun and the tank. And of course, nuclear bombs. Luckely, the tactics for the last one have just consisted of insults and posturing without any actual battlefield use beyond WW2.

WHAT??? HAHAHAHA

Are you saying the PS3 is limiting the range on guns due to its lack of power???

Please tell me I mistook your definition of hardware.